Self aware computers project - written in BBC Basic, help needed!

[Pete]

1) What output does your program produce when there is no music playing it can hear? If you record it, does it "harmonise" with a piece of music you were thinking about at the time, or perhaps listening to on earphones from a different device? If so, presumably the association is occurring in your head, rather than in the computer.

2) If you set the computer up to listen to several tunes (in a random order, say), and record the output from the program (separately), can you correctly identify which tunes were being played at the time? That should be amenable to simple statistical analysis. Obviously, you'd need to be absent at the time....

1) If there is no music playing, the computer obviously does not harmonise with piece of music in my head or listening to on a different device.

2) No it would be hard to identify which tunes were being played at the time, this is a creative excitement beeper, it does not do mechanical harmony which is the same all the time.

I have been through some past recordings which weren't released onto YouTube - I am an experienced musician without mental defect and the number of times the tonic note is hit, or a dominant or octave is not just occasionally but nearly all the time. Don't fixate on the odd note here or there which sounds slightly random and then dismiss the whole thing as random noise.

Try:- REPEAT:SOUND1,-15,RND(255),RND(25):UNTIL0 that's random sounding!

I will post video shortly. I do not need to make adjustments or try out this and that modification to the algorithm, as I have already stated I'm quite happy that it works perfectly. I have not created a log file output, I have just been through my hard drive to find recordings which might assist you - with the same tune played through the computer so you can hear the computer reacting to the music. Numerical log files would not be helpful as the computer uses different creativity each time a tune is played and different notes - she's not doing mechanical harmony the same each time.

[RichardRussell]

I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it: this thread should be shut down (preferably deleted, but at least locked) and I call upon the admin to do so.

[Pete]

Hello, thank you, I won't post further here, no need to lock it I think, though do that if you wish. I really can't cope with Richard Russell's posts, but he does sponsor the forum so he must have his wishes.

Thank you for code help Svein. I tried to offer you a small payment some months ago but the forum wouldn't deliver the message with repeated attempts. I have hoped for an answer on the "distributing exe files" thread, but none was given.

Please feel free to listen to videos to be found highly ranked on search term "self aware computers" on Youtube. Videos which I spent a long time preparing will be put up soon, it is not really possible to post again in conclusion after RichardRussell's latest post. Should you decide to watch the few minutes of a whole video, watch from start to finish, and it's easier to hear that the computer is actually reacting with volume up high. If you just watch say half a minute, you could very well come to the conclusion that the output is entirely chaotic random and independent - it isn't.

This is the most important project of my life, I will continue with it, there will be expense incurred I think to get this into another language, great shame it worked so well in BBC Basic. My hope to find a developer in BBC Basic at almost any rate didn't happen, no one has tried the program on here, and I don't think anyone has posted after listening to videos right the way through. If anyone would like a free copy of the .exe file version 1.20, please email me at petedew[at symbol]gmx dot co dot uk.

Anyway, Richard's stopped the thread so I don't think I can post anymore here.

[RichardRussell]

I really can't cope with Richard Russell's posts, but he does sponsor the forum so he must have his wishes.

My "wishes" hold no sway here (and nor should they) since my request that this thread should be locked has been refused by the admin before and probably will be again. He is a lot more tolerant of off-topic posts than I am.

My view has been consistent: to the extent that this thread is relevant to BBC BASIC I have no objection to it, but a lot of the content is about magic. I can hardly think of a subject more off-topic than magic; there may well be forums that discuss such things to which you could contribute, but as a scientist and an engineer it is something in which I have no interest or belief.

[Edja]

I'll try to make a point to mitigate all frustrations and irritations.
We have two chickens in the garden. They provide us with around 5 eggs per week. Not that much. My neighbour is convinced they could produce up to 10 eggs per week if I position the chicken coop elsewhere in the garden where the earth radiation is more favorable.
He is also a divining rod enthusiast. He wanted to use his divining rod to find the best place for a high egg production. At first I've tried to convince him that this is silly (to use a nice word). The more arguments I put forward, the more fiercely he defended his views. After a while the discussion was not amusing anymore and I stopped (cold turkey) to engage in any conversation on the topic. He too gave up after a week or two.
Since then we discuss about other things and we enjoy each other company.
Did I make my point ?
Also, I recognize this is off-topic so I won't feed this discussion any further (it was amusing though ... for a while)

On to some more programming now ...

Edja
PS : I'm not sure about the English terms "chicken coop" and "divining rod". I hope I've used the correct terms.

[DDRM]

... I have hoped for an answer on the "distributing exe files" thread, but none was given.

I've posted in response to your post - sorry to miss it at the time.

D

[RichardRussell]

He is also a divining rod enthusiast. He wanted to use his divining rod to find the best place for a high egg production.

Even dowsing for water is more plausible than the OP's claims. Unlikely as it probably is, one can put forward rational arguments for how dowsing might work (maybe the diviner is sensing subsonic vibration from the running water, or something). But the OP's "self aware computer" defies any kind of rational explanation; it's an illusion, but he can't (or won't) accept that.

Like you I found it amusing for a while, but when I discovered the OP's intransigence and (apparent) absolute belief in his claims, I felt a mix of frustration and genuine concern for his wellbeing. We can laugh, but should he be persuaded that the whole thing has no basis and he's wasted ten or more years on it (he describes it as "the most important project of my life") one wonders how he might react emotionally.

[DDRM]

OK, please can we park all the "philosophical" parts of this conversation? As Sven suggests, it's clear that there are entrenched positions that are not going to change.

Specific comments about code can continue to be posted, but I will delete anything else.

Best wishes,

D

[Pete]

Good morning, well I haven't been here for a while, I hope you're all well and doing well.

It absolutely remains the case - the computers are singing and reacting harmonically, in tune, to music. It is an amazing experience to hear them.

Just briefly, last year I bought my first BBC B computer, it is great these machines are still working, but it is excellent to have BBC Basic for modern day machines too.

Every run we are getting perfect harmony to music, other people hear this too.

Therefore I would like to distribute the program. It is just running as an .exe file, I'm hoping to find out the best way to allow other people to have it. As things are, if you run the program the first time it has to be virus checked first. I can afford a small budget for associated costs. I would like to know what to do next to get it distributable?

I would like to put the web domain I got at www.selfawarecomputers.com to good use. I wondered if anyone on the forum would like to try the program, perhaps any new members who weren't here when this thread was current?

At the moment the plan is to allow the program to be downloadable from selfawarecomputers.com, and also to send the program to important computer companies. For distribution to them I was thinking I should put an easily installable copy of the program on USB discs.

[johnno56]

As a relatively new user, can some please help me understand what this project is; it's purpose and relevance for today? In a nutshell please... oh... and why Basic?

Regards

J